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or should we blame the images on tv

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that's of course south park and i have

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to say you know when south park is on

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they are really really on still still to

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this day

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and i don't know why i thought it was

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fitting for this

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kind of strange but interesting

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discussion

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with author and radio host alan warren

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who i have almost nothing

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in common with but at the end

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i guess we do find some common ground

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we are like the opposite extreme of

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every question i ask him you know

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are you a biological robot meaningless

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universe he says yes

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you know conspiracies no uh you know

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extended consciousness no well first of

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all

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both the traditional church of satan and

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the church of satan have given me an

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honorary doctorate so

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if you want to talk about satanic

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worship and what's real and what isn't

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it's all man-made hopefully we all want

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the same thing in the end right we all

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just want to be happy

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live a good life and

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enjoy our freedom i i hope that's what

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we want and

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and with that yeah there's going to be

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bumps along the way but i i don't see

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why

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we need to bring down other people and

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hurt other people

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by the way alan is who can

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sacaris

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and today we welcome alan warren to

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skeptico

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al is a best-selling author

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so many many books amazing i mean

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above suspicion bloodthirst

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vampire killer of canada i could just go

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the host and producer of very popular

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nbc news talk radio

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true crime history conspiracy show

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house of mystery so

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he's really very interesting guy and

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we're just chatting a minute ago

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about this interview because it's one of

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these that

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kind of took a twist as the more i got

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into al's stuff

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because at first glance i was like wow

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this guy is into a lot of the same stuff

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you know conspiracies no uh you know

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extended consciousness no so

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so one of the things i thought would be

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cool i know it's a long intro but i want

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to set people up for this

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you know at this time at this particular

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when people can't even dialogue can't

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in the same room and say you know you

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know what do you believe

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that's okay here's what i believe it

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how you do that how you do that without

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you know sense of self enough to say

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yeah but here's where i think the facts

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introduction it is really a great

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pleasure to

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welcome you to the show al thank you so

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much for joining me

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oh it's my pleasure i um i look forward

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to it well we'll see what you say in an

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no it'll be fine you know like like i

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was saying before you know it's not

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exchanging ideas should not be an angry

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um you know the idea of freedom and

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america and freedom of speech and that

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whole thing

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is that we exchange ideas that we do

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and that you know we we stay true to one

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thing and that is the actual freedom

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so you know i i it you know at the end

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of the day you might not agree with a

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lot of what i say and i might not agree

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with you but the thing is at the end of

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we're both still here and um

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all the anger that people have

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in their conversations and and even

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political when they get out there i just

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i don't understand why there's so much

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emotion right now do you think because

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i'm going to jump right to one of the

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is engineered if you will and i i say

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carefully in that you know i think

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we all know how to push each other's

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buttons right

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we can do it you know you're a smart guy

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and i've heard enough of your interviews

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you don't push buttons and anyone who

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doesn't push buttons or probes in a way

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knows how to do it and i think

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news i mean we know how to push buttons

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by the same people so you know a lot of

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you know so we have to be careful not to

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generalize and say

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all of one group it's it's the agenda of

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so and so and to pick a group and to

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and to lump everybody in that same group

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is the first problem because we're all

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very unique

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and we all have different experiences

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know even say something like you oh he's

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just a conspiracy he's just

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he's just whatever what is the point of

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lumping someone in without hearing them

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out because there's going to be a lot of

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details you can

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pass on to me that i'm not going to get

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from anybody else

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so um again you know i'm back to that

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but isn't it also our responsibility

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to to make herself aware

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intuitive and more intelligent and

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and understand things you know try to

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you know you know where that's coming

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from and just kind of walk by

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you know we don't have to absorb all of

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one is to kind of have the discernment

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i'm being played and i won't be played i

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won't be manipulated in that way

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whether it's you know and again we got

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to be get down to specifics or it just

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you know kind of airy fairy out there so

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the way i like to do it like i could

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talk black lives matter you know but

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that's going to be too hot or i could

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talk the plan down

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that's going to be too hot i i what i've

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on the show for the last year is uh

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gloria steinem right because she kind of

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kind of person but historically gloria

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was outed as being cia

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and then she was confronted with it and

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i was cia but that's okay because you

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they really aren't the bad guys you

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and really needed to do it for the

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movement and all the rest of that

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and then if you further deconstruct that

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like we have and you go look at the

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evidence you go look at her former

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bosses at the cia

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it really her story doesn't really add

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massaging the story in that she was cia

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feminist who used the cia to advance her

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so that puts a completely

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different spin on what that means

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and you know i spoke with a woman just

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really i really like and respect her and

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at uh cal state chico which is

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besides being a good party school also a

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good enough school good academically

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and she was really cool and very open to

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hearing that information because it was

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very new to her

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it was obviously outside of what she

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kind of go and her first reaction is the

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reaction that a lot of

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women who are attached to that movement

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it's like i don't care you know the

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women's movement

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needed to happen and so the cia

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was involved i don't care it needed to

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happen

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and on one level i totally get that

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it did need to happen my mother

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didn't have any opportunities other than

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be a wife or be a nurse maybe but that

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didn't fit her

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you know she was into jazz she was into

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she was an artist

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it didn't fit her at all and she was in

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this box and she was really struggling

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to get outside of that box

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things are different now things are

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better now

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and gloria steinem help make that happen

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but can we really accept that a group of

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cia

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guys engineered and ran that program

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covertly and can we really accept that

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gloria steinem

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never really came clean she still hasn't

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come clean on it all the way

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it's only as the information rolls out

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applies to all these things because the

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way it applies to black lives matter

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is there a real issue in terms of racism

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in our country

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abso-freaking lutely you know is that

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something that we need to

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you know take time and deep thought on

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absolutely

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is it somehow a game that's being

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engineered and run

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just like gloria steinem was being

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engineered and run

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okay i i

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i listened to that but i'm i'm not sure

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i i'm not sure what what you want me to

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say about it

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we'll see um that's a great point but go

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ahead do you have anything else to say

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about that

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uh no because in essence you might be

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right i i think that um

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you know i don't know enough about

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gloria steinem to to really comment

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um but as far as black life lives matter

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you know if they um

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so it's your your contention that they

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were engineered from before they even

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became a movement or is this something

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that sort of happened

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let's go back to gloria stein because

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there was an interesting moment in this

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conversation

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that gets back to what i was talking

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about at the beginning of

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how these conversations go how these

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dialogues

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kind of run a fall i guess

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i feel like it's like

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i just told you facts you can go look up

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those facts you can go look up the

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documents you can go look up the

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interview where gloria steinem says

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herself she was in the cia

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that's out there on youtube you can

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watch it her own lips she's moving she's

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saying that

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so we could pause this interview if you

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want

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and we can come back two days later and

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you can go you can go back up and see if

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everything i'm saying is true but my

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experience is people don't want to do

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that

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because they don't wanna they don't

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really don't want their beliefs to

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change

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they don't want to deal with the

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question that i posed which is

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do you want the cia running the women's

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movement

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you know and and how far do you want to

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go to say

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well gee if the cia is involved

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that changes everything for me

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well i think i think no i i i don't have

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a belief in anything that would change

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whether

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gloria steinem was right in with the cia

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from the

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from birth or not um i just like to uh

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in fact i i would probably want to know

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more about it in the sense of uh

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when did she join why did she join was

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it

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part of uh uh just

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a couple of members was there an agenda

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by the whole

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organization like i'd like to know more

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details on the background rather than

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um and it's not that i don't believe you

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it's it's more about

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first of all more bad more background

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what what was the agenda

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and um and also what is it that was

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that you think we should do now today in

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2020

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about what gloria steinem did in the 60s

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and

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her involvement with the cia then like

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what is

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what's our what's our outcome how are we

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going to make this better

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and um what do you what do you want to

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happen

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well so in the first part of that again

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when you're getting hit with this stuff

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you know like i am and

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there's no reason you would you would

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know this unless you've

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done this kind of obscure conspiratorial

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research which everyone needs to do and

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that's where you need to start

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and we've been conditioned and trained

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not to do that

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not to look at the other side so you'll

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go find these documents

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you'll go find these interviews you'll

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go find the people in the feminist

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movement who first outed gloria steinem

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that's how she got outed

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by fellow feminists who said this is

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faux feminism

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this is someone co-opting our movement

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that's how she came out that's how she

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was outed

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but the part that you you kind of

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skipped over it's not

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like they recruited members of the

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feminist movement that is they the cia

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gloria steinem from the time she was in

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college

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was identified as someone who the cia

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was going to work with

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so they gave her a fellowship they

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uh gave her money they gave her her

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first job

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was infiltrating like uh student

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organizations

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and music movements and you can actually

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go read the memos from her bosses who

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come back and go wow this

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woman is a superstar man she is

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the thing you know so all that was

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before

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feminism but let's just put that as a

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maybe what i'm saying is true thing and

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get your second question

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i don't know i don't know but i think

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it's completely

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fundamental to uh

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because it's fundamental to what we

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believe about

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our government about how social justice

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works

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fundamental to

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all of that so until we answer those

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questions

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until we wrestle something like that to

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the ground

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factually we can't answer the second

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part of that question

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well then i'll leave it up to you to

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figure this out

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i i'm just not sure

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where you want to go with this um i'm

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not sure what

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i'm trying to think what you exactly

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to achieve i'm just not sure um

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if all you say is true then i i'm just

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not sure

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it is a how are you relating this to

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well the first way it relates to 2020 is

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that we we still don't have the history

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straight we're doing

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netflix specials that tell a different a

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different history and i think most

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people in this country

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would have a different feeling about

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feminism

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the woman i told you who you know is the

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head of the women's study at chico state

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this would be complete very very

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relevant to her work

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to a woman's studies department at uh

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at any university so it's something that

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does need to be

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understood and it's i see that's where

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i i don't feel like we're really

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engaging here because

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well

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i'm i'm i'm not sure

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what part of it that you're you're

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to address is it that uh it's not

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written in history properly and that um

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places like netflix

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is not really giving us the full story

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um or whoever else writes or talks about

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any of that sort of stuff

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i'm just trying to figure out what what

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point is trying to address

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who is it that should do what

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well al i mean gloria steinem was a cia

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operative and she was the one

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running the women's movement that

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doesn't change your paradigm your world

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view about social justice about social

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movements

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about how things change like we started

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this

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discussion about talking about

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engineering that doesn't

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change your world view regarding how

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what we think we know is engineered

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no because um i believe

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a lot of things have been engineered a

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lot of things have been

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uh pushed a lot of agendas have been

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achieved and some haven't

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it's all done and i don't believe that

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there's a current

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uh like as people would say a deep state

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that

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runs the world a global i i i'm not an

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alex jones guy so i can't go that far

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you know if this in this particular case

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she might have been

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you know let's say you're 100 right she

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was uh

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exactly what you say she was um

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that's cool let's go with that

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um but it's a done deal it's passed

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um yeah there should be more information

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that comes out about it now because it's

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so long ago

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i don't know what difference it would

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make for a lot of

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people in the public because

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i think that the goal was achieved and

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most people

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agree with what the outcome was

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so i'm kind of not at a at i'm just

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trying to figure out where

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where you're trying to connect this yeah

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there's things engineered it doesn't

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change my point of view at all

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if i find out things like this are 100

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percent true

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i'm not surprised america this is what

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america

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has been all about as far as i'm

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concerned

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and as i get older it becomes more and

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more about it

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and i don't think it's changed and i

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don't think it's going to change in our

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lifetime

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so um so i'm i i think that we have to

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like you said

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we have to be more specific so when you

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take a specific case like gloria steinem

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you also have to have a specific remedy

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we also have to have this is what we

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need to do

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with glorious dynam this is how we need

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to talk

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this has to come out that's all fair

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enough

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um but i don't automatically

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change the whole the whole

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world as it is now it doesn't make me

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feel any different

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about cia

548
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it seemed to me what you said

549
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to me there's a contradiction between

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saying and i hear this all the time in

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people who are like

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anti-conspiracy theory which is kind of

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like

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on its on its face is just kind of

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ridiculous because we all accept that

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there are these conspiracies we run into

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them all the time you know i mean that's

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how the world works particularly if you

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come from the business world like i did

560
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,679
everything in businesses everything is a

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conspiracy you know it's like

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where do you buy your hot dog buns if

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you're mcdonald's you know it's like

564
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everything that involves any kind of

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money or power is a conspiracy

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why would it be any different politics

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why would it be any different in

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intelligence organizations

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but you know it seemed like to me like

570
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,280
you started off by saying

571
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,600
well i don't believe this deep state

572
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,200
nonsense

573
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:45,440
well gloria signed as an example a deep

574
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:46,640
deep state

575
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,480
it's a hidden force that's

576
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:54,000
decided to step on the playing field

577
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,000
in order to engineer socially engineer

578
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,039
our beliefs and our values jesus you

579
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,600
can't get any more deep state than that

580
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,360
so you either push against it and go

581
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,960
well that's [\h__\h] it didn't really

582
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,080
happen that way

583
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,400
but if it did then you're in the deep

584
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,840
state soup

585
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,480
it's just a matter of whether you think

586
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,799
the deep state is okay or not

587
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,960
no because that's a generalization

588
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,640
because as soon as you take an event

589
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,600
like this

590
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:24,000
then all of a sudden everybody uses deep

591
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,799
state

592
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,679
anytime people have an anger which most

593
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:28,880
do

594
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,400
about something they direct that toward

595
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,280
an outside entity rather than inward

596
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,440
which is really where it is

597
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,159
so you know this man-made thing of being

598
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,720
a deep state as a general

599
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,760
thing we don't know so all of a sudden

600
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,880
the deep state

601
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,760
does everything that we don't like and

602
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,919
that's what it that's where it becomes

603
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:54,400
because it's not specific enough rather

604
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:55,200
than saying

605
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,799
cia agents at in the 1960s

606
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,039
infiltrated and did something with

607
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:04,960
gloria steinem to create

608
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:08,799
some sort of engineered event to

609
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,240
to do something that's specific i i

610
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,880
believe in specific

611
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,559
things but i don't think there's a

612
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,400
general group

613
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:20,240
that all of a sudden it's like a

614
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:21,440
membership

615
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,360
it's really

616
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,400
really um bizarre to me

617
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,679
that the deep state is always made out

618
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,559
of

619
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,480
rich liberals and it's laughable

620
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,679
like everybody from bill gates to

621
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,600
you name it if they're on if they're a

622
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,279
liberal and they've got money then

623
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,279
they're obviously part of the deep state

624
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,799
and their globalists

625
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,559
they want to kill people they want to

626
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,520
reduce they want to make us

627
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,520
not be able to have children it just

628
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,679
goes on and on and on

629
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,440
and that if you're from the business

630
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,000
world you know that's absolutely absurd

631
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,520
because there's there's as many or more

632
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,880
conservative rich people that try to

633
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:07,760
control or

634
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,600
deep state things as any liberal

635
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,440
so it's a it's it's just it's just a

636
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,200
fallacy that whole thing

637
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,919
is too general and that's my issue with

638
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,679
it it's not that there isn't people

639
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:20,960
doing things

640
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,600
we're not specific it's like it's like

641
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:24,880
when people say well

642
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,400
libtards are re they call republicans

643
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,480
dave they call both sides names and i

644
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,000
look at things and i thought well

645
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:34,720
you can't generalize and say all people

646
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,039
of

647
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,559
one specific area or one specific

648
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:42,000
race or sexual identity or anything is

649
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,240
is now all of a sudden something

650
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,919
and that's what it's become it's not

651
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,080
it's not we're not relying on facts

652
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,440
we're relying on how we

653
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:54,559
feel about a person's

654
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,080
lifestyle or politics or image

655
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,000
and that's ridiculous you know at

656
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,679
pizzagate

657
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:04,320
pedophile hollywood they're all that way

658
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,960
like you hear

659
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:06,559
all of these things rather than

660
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:10,720
specifics rather than a specific event

661
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,360
with evidence so that's my issue

662
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,679
well you must hang around different

663
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:18,960
groups that

664
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,480
different deep state researchers than i

665
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,840
do because i don't know

666
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,919
anyone who looks at the deep state and

667
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,279
thinks it's

668
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,960
liberal or i mean most of the people i

669
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,320
know who look at that are completely

670
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,080
apolitical like i am they're like

671
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,120
no not at all well alex jones down you

672
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,200
name you name a person around the alex

673
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:39,600
jones six million followers

674
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:43,360
that whole group that is and even coast

675
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:44,159
to coast

676
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:48,559
please george nori that whole empire

677
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,919
is all red and you love you'll never

678
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,880
hear

679
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,760
a negative derogatory you find one

680
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:56,720
interview on that

681
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,600
that show about a a conservative

682
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:04,480
anywhere in the world or them being part

683
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:04,720
of

684
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:11,120
terrible event happening everything

685
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:14,880
is caused by someone

686
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:17,919
george soros is probably the biggest one

687
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:21,200
you know uh ex-nazi you know but he's

688
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,000
behind

689
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,120
you know everything false flags

690
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,440
school shootings that never happened

691
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:28,960
crisis actors

692
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:32,240
you get into all this generalization

693
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,000
and hurt a lot of people but it's always

694
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,080
always about uh politics

695
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,679
that's where you're mistaken if you're

696
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,919
around people that are not

697
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,679
then i don't i don't know you must have

698
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,919
an exclusive unit that i've never come

699
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,360
across

700
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,520
well i've just been doing a ton of

701
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,480
interviews and there's

702
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,919
a bunch of people i just interviewed

703
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:56,000
stephen i just interviewed well but you

704
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,960
know you personally

705
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,720
just interviewed you you just talked

706
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,640
about what i said with millions of

707
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,159
followers not thousands

708
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,279
we're talking about the gym mars

709
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,480
the coast to coast and you find

710
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,039
out this is you're doing you're doing

711
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,799
exactly that's the majority

712
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,559
but you're doing exactly what you're

713
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,240
railing against you're kind of

714
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,520
identifying one one person and then

715
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,919
you're generalizing that that what

716
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,039
so alex jones has a particular set of

717
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,640
political beliefs so what the the

718
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,240
idea of uh of deep state if he's

719
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,240
co-opted that in some way for you that

720
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,240
you can't think otherwise

721
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,960
that's fine but i'm telling you you know

722
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,880
you look at a lot of this stuff in the

723
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,840
deep state where that really took

724
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,000
traction

725
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,279
was with 9 11. 911 was

726
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,080
was they were all republicans right

727
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,520
george bush

728
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:54,399
uh dick cheney they were republican as

729
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,440
they can get

730
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:56,960
you know i've talked about that

731
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,440
pizzagate thing for years

732
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,960
first of all what a lot of people don't

733
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,480
understand about pete's gate and i don't

734
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,520
want to get out and talk about michael

735
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,880
shermer and consciousness

736
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,960
because those like 300 shows

737
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,480
unconsciousness i don't really talk

738
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,159
about this other political stuff

739
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,360
but my consciousness research which

740
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,880
you think are a biological robot and

741
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,559
meaningless universe and consciousness

742
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:19,360
doesn't exist and you you're a master's

743
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,000
in music

744
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:22,640
and that's why you think michael shermer

745
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:23,440
knows science

746
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,640
i'm going to show you in a minute that

747
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,279
it's he he he completely

748
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,000
doesn't know what he does he's not a

749
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,840
good scientist he's a phd in history but

750
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,799
he's a good guy

751
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:35,679
you know here's my point though back on

752
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:36,000
on

753
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,360
the 911 truthers right they were all

754
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:45,039
against george bush they were all

755
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:45,520
against

756
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,080
the the opposite people and when

757
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:52,559
pizzagate happened

758
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,000
pizzagate was a conspiracy it was a

759
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:57,760
political psyop

760
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:01,360
against john podesta the goal was to

761
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,840
sink

762
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,799
hillary clinton by releasing these

763
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,919
emails

764
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,440
if you don't believe otherwise you can

765
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:09,520
tell me but when they release

766
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:13,520
400 highly explosive emails

767
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,520
four days before a presidential election

768
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,360
do you think that's accident that

769
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,880
they're released four days

770
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,360
do you do you think that the fact that

771
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:24,720
the the

772
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,200
emails are particularly uh sensitive to

773
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,000
uh christian to a the christian voting

774
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,840
block and are really gonna make them oh

775
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,520
my god we can't let this

776
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,600
satanist hillary and her satanist

777
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,520
friends in there do you think that's an

778
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,039
accident or do you think that's a

779
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,039
conspiracy no of course it is

780
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,880
but it kind of goes along with what i'm

781
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,880
saying well it's a conspiracy though

782
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:48,880
right al it's a conspiracy

783
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,880
sure so then i'm not anti-conspiracy

784
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,200
i i just think that it has to be more

785
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,880
specific when we talk

786
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,799
and and i don't like generalizations

787
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,039
because the majority of conspiracy

788
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,559
thinkers on the right

789
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,960
come from the alex jones coast to coast

790
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,840
empire

791
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,240
that's millions of people and they all

792
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:10,159
subscribe to this idea

793
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,919
they all yeah well they're certainly

794
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,320
following they pay money every month or

795
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,360
every year

796
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,600
to follow these people to listen to

797
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,000
their shows to buy their products

798
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,480
whatever else they do so they're

799
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:25,519
invested

800
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,760
in that and all i'm saying is that's a

801
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,159
huge chunk of them now there's just as

802
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,399
bad on the left with all this canceled

803
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:35,519
culture and

804
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,600
and offensive stuff that's just as bad

805
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,600
i'm not saying it isn't but what i'm

806
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:43,600
saying is we have to be more specific

807
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,080
about

808
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,919
certain things we can't just generalize

809
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,840
and say well of course it's the deep

810
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:48,799
state

811
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,480
affecting

812
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:55,279
hillary because of these pizzagate

813
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,480
emails

814
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,000
is not the same deep state that does

815
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,320
other things that's sort of what i'm

816
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,440
getting at there's more specifics

817
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,760
to these cases and we have to be more

818
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:10,320
specific about who we're accusing of

819
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:11,039
what

820
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,799
emails that you know because you took

821
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,640
a position that i've heard so many

822
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,000
people who

823
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,559
have been kind of brainwashed into

824
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,559
thinking that pizzagate is about a guy

825
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,080
going into a pizza restaurant and

826
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,440
shooting a computer

827
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,519
and what pizzagate is really about what

828
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:35,679
the original term came from

829
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,559
was the emails themselves so what do you

830
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:40,240
know and what do you think about the

831
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:41,120
emails

832
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,880
and what do you think i mean now it's

833
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,360
not it's it's all revealed about the

834
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,600
the pedophile rings and the satanic

835
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:48,880
ritual abuse you know i

836
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,000
interviewed on this show annika lucas

837
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,960
a woman who it's ridiculous it's all

838
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,039
ridiculous it's people that have mental

839
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,159
issues

840
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,039
it's as simple as that there is no

841
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,600
satanic rituals cooking babies

842
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,600
if someone's coming on and saying that

843
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,080
most of them have a screw loose

844
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,240
well you can listen to my interview with

845
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,080
anna i would waste my time

846
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,600
well but here's the point here's the

847
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,200
point now here's the point these people

848
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,240
are nuts

849
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,640
and you know what you know it these

850
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,600
people are

851
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,320
completely insane again my bro my bro

852
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,919
let me let me educate you a little bit

853
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:25,600
because i do research before i interview

854
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,320
people

855
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:29,120
annika annika lucas you know the reason

856
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,080
her story

857
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,039
fits is because it fits in belgium in

858
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:34,720
the detroit case

859
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:37,039
which made news it was in the headlines

860
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,320
for years

861
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,960
in belgium because it was a major case

862
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,480
some of the kids

863
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,720
in the ritual abuse ring actually died

864
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,760
because they had this guy

865
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:48,880
in prison and he wasn't able to go feed

866
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,760
these kids who he had locked up in cages

867
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,519
he wasn't able to feed him and they died

868
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,679
so they have all this stuff in pictures

869
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,240
in photos that ran in magazines and

870
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,679
newspapers in belgium

871
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,240
this has all been been outed and there's

872
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:03,679
testimony on it

873
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,799
so your quick reaction that it's all

874
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:07,760
[\h__\h]

875
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,119
is stands in contrast to

876
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:14,079
some of the things we know so the part

877
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,879
that i think

878
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,560
the line that you're taking which really

879
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:18,399
gets into the consciousness part

880
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:22,000
is you're saying okay i get that some

881
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,639
people do

882
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,760
horrible things but since we're all

883
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:27,440
biological robots in a meaningless

884
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:28,320
universe

885
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:32,000
there can't be any entities out there

886
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,040
that are

887
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:35,200
influencing these people or any of the

888
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,399
rest of that even though that's what

889
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,679
they say you're saying

890
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,599
no and i'll put a put a lid on that

891
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:40,720
because

892
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,839
that doesn't sound like anything i'm

893
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,280
willing to accept and that's going to

894
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,119
get us to schermer but go ahead comment

895
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,720
on that first

896
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,359
well first of all both the traditional

897
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:53,440
church of satan and the church of satan

898
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,320
have given me an

899
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,520
honorary doctorate so

900
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,440
if you want to talk about satanic

901
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:00,800
worship and what's real

902
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,079
and what isn't it's all man-made

903
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:07,920
you know it's it's christian satan is a

904
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,200
is a is a fixture used by christians

905
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:13,040
if you're if you're a satanist

906
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:14,640
worshiping and cooking

907
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,000
children or any sort of insane behavior

908
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,520
you're a christian simple

909
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,920
there's nothing more there's nothing

910
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,800
less

911
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,280
it's ridiculous to think anything other

912
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:29,680
and that is all man-made

913
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:33,280
it doesn't exist and and

914
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:37,280
and so you know if if you believe that

915
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:40,880
evil is born in and there's actual

916
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,720
um you know satan as a character

917
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,440
and and jesus christ was our savior and

918
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,119
this is all real

919
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:51,280
then you're open to all of that stuff

920
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,400
and that is

921
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,520
completely ridiculous i don't believe

922
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:58,000
any of that none of that is true if you

923
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,960
want to get into

924
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,359
spiritual and near death and and

925
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,040
afterlife yeah sure

926
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,839
there's all possibilities that that's a

927
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,440
totally different thing

928
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,800
than a man made everything from mormons

929
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,000
to christians to

930
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:15,440
jews it's all man-made because there's a

931
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,160
terrible

932
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,520
fear we have of death and and and

933
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,839
a whole lot of other things involved too

934
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,440
much to talk about in an

935
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:26,720
hour but that belief

936
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,839
is out the door it's craziness

937
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,000
you know it's like when i went on um

938
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,160
ghost hunts with uh

939
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,560
ed and lorraine warren who of course my

940
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,680
last name's warren

941
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,760
so if you get the connection it's

942
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,839
ridiculous when their stepsons like if

943
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,440
you're not a christian

944
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,200
you can't come on a ghost hunt because

945
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,520
you cannot connect

946
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:50,560
well that's ridiculous what a stupid

947
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,960
thing to say and what a stupid belief

948
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,480
so if you want to get into that yeah

949
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,240
i'll tell you um

950
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,040
i've had lots of experience in both ends

951
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,720
i've been on plenty of ghost

952
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,920
hunts ghost shows

953
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,839
so yeah there's a connection there is

954
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,160
something after our life we

955
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,200
are a uh you know uh

956
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,720
just a meat uh but i i tell you

957
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,560
to just start hold on right there right

958
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,480
there sort that out for me so first of

959
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,079
all i'm not a christian

960
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,520
no i share a lot of your uh beliefs

961
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:24,880
about you know when we talk about

962
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,280
control and social engineering i mean

963
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:29,040
that's the original right there you know

964
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,520
but

965
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,720
let's not get into that too much there's

966
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,839
a contradiction

967
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,839
in what you just said l you know you

968
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,880
can't say

969
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,960
well i mean you can say whatever you

970
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:40,960
want but you can't say well i'm down

971
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,599
with the

972
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,880
after death thing well then you're down

973
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,079
with the idea that there

974
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,560
is this extended consciousness when i

975
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,079
ask you the survey question

976
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,320
you said no we're biological robots in a

977
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,599
meaningless universe

978
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,400
so which which one is it is there this

979
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:58,560
extended consciousness realm

980
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,760
where these for lack of a better term

981
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,480
spirit entities these extended outside

982
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,680
of space and time

983
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:08,800
entities exist or is is there not

984
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,440
because

985
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,200
michael shermer who will play the clip

986
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,960
for a minute because he's so

987
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,880
badly flubbed the near-death experience

988
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,000
research

989
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,760
believes that there is no such possible

990
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,800
thing

991
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,359
as an extended consciousness that

992
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:25,520
survives after death that is just

993
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,040
verboten and our scientific

994
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:31,280
community that that is holding to that

995
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,160
idea

996
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,400
will not let go of scientific

997
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,000
materialism so

998
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,240
what uh your you your cut got me

999
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,400
confused here with this

1000
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,320
do you believe that there is extended

1001
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,079
consciousness or you believe there isn't

1002
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,200
that it's all just biological robot

1003
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,280
meaningless universe

1004
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,440
well i think that it's it's both but i

1005
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,800
don't think it's an extended

1006
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,480
consciousness as you call it i don't

1007
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,640
think that we exist as we are after we

1008
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,520
die

1009
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,520
i think something happens i think we

1010
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,359
change just like everything

1011
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,280
so when we're dead with something else

1012
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:05,200
it's not all of this

1013
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,800
uh you know oh we're ghosts and we're

1014
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,400
coming back and we're going to haunt you

1015
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,480
and we're going to do this or it's not

1016
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,359
a religion it's not any of that i think

1017
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:20,400
that it's a

1018
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,920
we are part of something that science

1019
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,079
hasn't got their hands on yet

1020
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,119
but you know our meat bodies die

1021
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:31,440
and yeah there is something after we we

1022
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,320
go on

1023
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,680
but i'm not i'm not believing we go

1024
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,560
on as we are now like you and i are

1025
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,320
talking and having this conversation

1026
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,240
we're using our mind

1027
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,280
and we're talking um but

1028
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,800
after we're dead this is this doesn't

1029
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:50,880
exist anymore

1030
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,839
but what does exist i'm not sure i'm not

1031
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,640
saying it's an end

1032
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,520
michael schumer's on the on like a lot

1033
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,640
of people i know

1034
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:01,359
or on the when it ends is over lights

1035
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,680
out

1036
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,680
done just like unplugging your computer

1037
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,000
and throwing it in the bathtub

1038
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,119
it's done that's how he feels

1039
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,960
i feel there's something else i feel

1040
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,880
we're still something

1041
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,760
i'm just not sure what and and i'm not

1042
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,800
i'm just not

1043
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,560
jumping i used to believe in a lot of

1044
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,560
things over the years

1045
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,200
but i'm just not so easy to jump anymore

1046
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:25,520
because there's just no evidence of

1047
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,440
of any of it so i guess that's probably

1048
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,720
the best way i can explain it

1049
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:35,440
that's fair i i don't think i have any

1050
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:36,000
firm

1051
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,079
ideas about what it is either i i can't

1052
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,960
exactly you know i can't get back to

1053
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:45,040
what you're saying about it's absolutely

1054
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,440
not

1055
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:48,880
satanic

1056
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:52,240
again i get your point technically about

1057
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,960
satan

1058
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,680
and him being i have a whole chapter in

1059
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,200
my book about

1060
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,720
how satan slips through your fingers

1061
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,240
historically when you look back he

1062
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,680
doesn't even exist

1063
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:04,079
in the original kind of pre-taurus

1064
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,880
stories

1065
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,480
and then he just pops in there after

1066
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:08,560
zory astor and that is the history of

1067
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:09,040
that

1068
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,800
anyone who's christian or has a

1069
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,480
belief that all this stuff is satanic

1070
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,760
you just have to look at the history it

1071
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:17,280
doesn't make any sense

1072
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,040
i'm not though uh close to the idea

1073
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,319
that uh evil exists that malevolent

1074
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:26,800
forces exist it's just too widely

1075
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,440
reported

1076
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,839
across every culture that we've ever

1077
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,560
looked at

1078
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:33,680
and the the the vision we have of that

1079
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:34,160
now

1080
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,760
the michael shermer kind of strict

1081
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,720
materialism is purely in a recent

1082
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:39,520
invention

1083
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:43,599
scrutiny so if i can because i told you

1084
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,079
i would

1085
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,599
and we're running out of time let me

1086
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,520
play a clip from my interview with

1087
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,400
shurmur

1088
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,920
uh michael shermer that is the creator

1089
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,800
editor of skeptic magazine and like i

1090
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:56,960
said one of my favorite enemies or

1091
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,000
favorite frenemies cause i like his

1092
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,280
vibe i like talking to the guy and

1093
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,960
we had it i've interviewed him three

1094
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,960
times and we always have a good chat

1095
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,760
he just fails miserably at the science

1096
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,640
which i find

1097
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,400
over and over again for these science

1098
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:13,839
types they don't

1099
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,960
really understand the science they just

1100
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,599
kind of

1101
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,560
like a tv actor pretend they do here's a

1102
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,240
clip from shermer

1103
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,920
at the books i went to the index and i

1104
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,599
said okay here are all the near-death

1105
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:27,760
experience researchers i've talked to

1106
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,319
are they in there no name after name

1107
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,680
after name none of them are in there

1108
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,800
you know a couple years ago i

1109
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,720
interviewed jan holden from

1110
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,720
the university of north texas who along

1111
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,720
with bruce dr bruce grayson from the

1112
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,839
university of virginia

1113
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,280
two of the most prominent names in

1114
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,720
near-death experience research they

1115
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,079
compiled this book

1116
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,480
the handbook of near-death experiences

1117
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,240
mainly for

1118
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,400
people in the medical community so that

1119
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,920
when they encounter someone who

1120
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,760
comes up out of a cardiac arrest and

1121
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:55,280
said hey i had this incredible

1122
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,160
experience

1123
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:59,119
they can be at least familiar with what

1124
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,760
to tell them

1125
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:01,920
at the time they published this book

1126
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,400
michael in 2009

1127
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,480
they had over a hundred peer-reviewed

1128
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,680
papers that they

1129
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,480
included in their book by now there's

1130
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,800
over 200 peer-reviewed papers

1131
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,400
okay i didn't see any of that in your

1132
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:16,319
book i think it's important to make it

1133
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,440
well

1134
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,200
look yeah i don't have to cite everybody

1135
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,880
that's ever written on the subject

1136
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:22,560
but you don't find any of them you don't

1137
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,710
who else yeah yeah yeah he

1138
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,640
misrepresented both of them but

1139
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:33,440
you at least cited him yeah but anyway

1140
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:33,839
uh

1141
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,040
let's back up for a second and and um

1142
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,480
i'd have to say you know evan alexander

1143
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,400
i want to talk about him but technically

1144
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:41,599
he's not a near-death

1145
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,119
experience researcher okay enough of

1146
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:47,760
that uh thanks for

1147
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,200
hanging with me this guy doesn't

1148
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,200
know the science and yet so many people

1149
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,240
who are just drawn to this idea

1150
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,319
that all this near-death experience

1151
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:02,560
stuff is a bunch of baloney

1152
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,800
they just are sucked in by this guy when

1153
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,800
people have directly contradicted them i

1154
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,599
mentioned pin von lamal dr pinvalmel

1155
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,800
a radio or a cardiologist highly

1156
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,480
recorded cardiologist

1157
00:44:20,109 --> 00:44:18,560
he called shermer out and said you

1158
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,119
completely

1159
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,720
misrepresented my research

1160
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:25,599
in in scientific american and schirmer's

1161
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,400
response was

1162
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,960
well that was my interpretation of it

1163
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,800
you have the the researcher the

1164
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,920
scientist saying

1165
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,400
did you just kind of said the opposite

1166
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,000
of what i said he goes well that's just

1167
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,760
my opinion you know i guess we'll agree

1168
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,040
to disagree

1169
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,480
this is where science is at today and

1170
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,960
so many people just get just get snowed

1171
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,880
over by it because they want to believe

1172
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,760
that

1173
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,920
the near-death experience is baloney or

1174
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,119
they want to believe that

1175
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,119
you know there can be none of these

1176
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,599
extended realms kind of thing so i laid

1177
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:56,800
a lot on the table there

1178
00:45:00,550 --> 00:45:00,160
alan tell me what you think well you

1179
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:00,560
know

1180
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,720
um when i died

1181
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,400
i felt nothing i have no memory of it

1182
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,599
so that's all i got to go by i've had

1183
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,119
three heart attacks in my life

1184
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,480
and and one of them um i died

1185
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:19,119
um i really can't tell you anything

1186
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,760
about it

1187
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,040
other than when i woke up so

1188
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,119
that that's my personal experience and

1189
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:26,960
that's affected me in the sense that

1190
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,560
um that's what i know

1191
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,400
uh everything else is just people

1192
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,680
talking uh

1193
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,599
some people believe that uh there's

1194
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:37,280
something that goes on and some people

1195
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,560
believe not

1196
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,880
uh or don't believe me i'm sorry you

1197
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,000
know i don't know

1198
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:44,480
i just know with me i didn't there was

1199
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:45,119
nothing

1200
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,839
and it it it also a lot of the uh

1201
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,680
narrative experience people i've talked

1202
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:50,480
to

1203
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:56,400
it seems like if you have a particular

1204
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:56,960
belief

1205
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,400
or a particular don't want to say

1206
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,800
always religion but some sort of um

1207
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:03,839
faith

1208
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,880
um that's what people see

1209
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,440
you know a lot of people claim they've

1210
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,200
they've met jesus or they

1211
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,640
meet whoever or what whatever thing

1212
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,760
they're sort of into

1213
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,480
it's sort of how how they they represent

1214
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,800
themselves as being near death

1215
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,960
and uh people that are atheists quite

1216
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:24,800
often see darkness so

1217
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,440
i don't know how can we explain that is

1218
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:28,800
is that something

1219
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:32,800
um our body and mind does

1220
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,560
um it's possibility i i think that's i

1221
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:38,560
think it's a big question i i just don't

1222
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,119
see

1223
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,680
definites i understand what shermer's

1224
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,560
saying

1225
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,319
[Music]

1226
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:49,280
i think sherman's saying that that's it

1227
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:49,920
he can

1228
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,319
computer

1229
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:57,680
you know when you talk to him more about

1230
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,560
how the mind operates i think you can

1231
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:02,240
understand him better you know he

1232
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,359
doesn't

1233
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,390
no no actually some of his points are

1234
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,160
right you know the idea that

1235
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,079
you know when we look at something and

1236
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,760
we think we see something we don't

1237
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:14,960
always see it

1238
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,160
um sometimes our mind fills in

1239
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,880
the blanks and this is true and and i

1240
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,200
think he questions a lot of what people

1241
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,800
claim that they have

1242
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,960
seen and felt and i've seen it live look

1243
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,200
at look at you know you go back to the

1244
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,119
the first planes the orville brothers

1245
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,960
and how when that was coming out and how

1246
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,800
many people reported seeing

1247
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,680
these flying machines and they weren't

1248
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,599
it wasn't possible but

1249
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,720
there's a lot to say about how powerful

1250
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,240
our mind is

1251
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,319
and i think it's so it's a long way from

1252
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:48,640
us really understanding

1253
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,400
how much it it it if it does

1254
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,160
and so i think at this point in our

1255
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,319
lives i think there's room for both

1256
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,839
people you know you can have shermer

1257
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,599
saying no we're dead that's it

1258
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,920
lights out and you can have people like

1259
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,040
saying oh no

1260
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,400
you know there's something after and and

1261
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,880
neither one of them

1262
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,559
i don't know how we could say either one

1263
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,640
of them is 100 it's just one of those

1264
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,760
things that

1265
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,359
at this point we just have to keep

1266
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:17,200
moving forward and trying to understand

1267
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,000
and

1268
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,119
figuring out more i don't know i guess

1269
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,559
we could just kind of go on the same

1270
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,720
i mean i can't well because one of the

1271
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,800
things you said at the beginning

1272
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,559
was that you said you've looked at the

1273
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,559
science for three years

1274
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,480
i've looked at the science too i've

1275
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,839
probably looked at more near-death

1276
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:35,200
experience science than you have just

1277
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,000
because that's what i

1278
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,240
became interested in because it gets to

1279
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,880
this question of science more directly

1280
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,720
i mean it gets to this question of

1281
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,200
consciousness more directly

1282
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:47,520
but i would have to say that i think

1283
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,240
science

1284
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,839
and this is from a guy who wrote a book

1285
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,440
why science is wrong about almost

1286
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,720
everything because it's really a book

1287
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,720
about consciousness and how if you don't

1288
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,720
if you have a materialistic science

1289
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,000
materialism

1290
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,160
view of science if you're not factoring

1291
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,000
in consciousness that you just really

1292
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,400
aren't doing the best science that we

1293
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,599
know and you're off

1294
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:08,640
but the the point is

1295
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:11,839
i think we have to do better than kind

1296
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:12,800
of what you're

1297
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,760
saying there i mean we have to lean on

1298
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,040
science a little bit

1299
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,760
we have to be able to call [\h__\h] on

1300
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,079
schermer as nice as he is and as

1301
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:24,480
congenial as he is yeah but yeah let's

1302
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:25,359
say

1303
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,000
talking about near-death experience

1304
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:32,079
research and the one of the leading

1305
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,960
researchers

1306
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,760
says you're full of [\h__\h] that you have a

1307
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,240
problem there that you need to fix

1308
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:40,960
yeah but what is near-death research and

1309
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,280
and

1310
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,880
in the fact that you know when you're

1311
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,640
dead you're dead if it's people that

1312
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,559
have come back that have died or come

1313
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,920
back such as myself

1314
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,680
that you know you can talk to a lot of

1315
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,160
people but you're still going by

1316
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,680
what they say they're they're witnessing

1317
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,760
and and and there's a lot of problems

1318
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,400
with that i think sounds

1319
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,599
misunderstood there's a real

1320
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,549
no but isn't there a center we are in a

1321
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,079
physical world

1322
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:10,559
you know there are certain things we

1323
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,200
science

1324
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,520
is dictating the physical world it does

1325
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,800
not telling it

1326
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,200
we learn things from trial and error and

1327
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,880
we get better and better at certain

1328
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,880
things that's why we have so many

1329
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,920
things that we use that have been

1330
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,400
science-based

1331
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:27,200
it's a material thing you're you're

1332
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,160
trying to mix

1333
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,119
consciousness with materialism and i

1334
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,040
think they're two separate things

1335
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,200
unless you think this whole world is

1336
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,040
just all part of our consciousness it's

1337
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,400
not real

1338
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,319
and and then see then then you're not

1339
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:41,599
going to get along with people like

1340
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,480
sharma because

1341
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,319
there's no way they're going to accept

1342
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:46,160
that

1343
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,400
of my way of being in the middle

1344
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,960
because i i think i think to be honest i

1345
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,200
like hearing from both sides and i and i

1346
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:56,640
i think it's great

1347
00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,839
i i don't want to uh create enemies so

1348
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,400
there's things i i like on both sides i

1349
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,319
just just uh

1350
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,800
and i can't say what what the real

1351
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,079
answer is is

1352
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,880
is this whole physical thing that we're

1353
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:11,920
in

1354
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,599
we just

1355
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,440
do you know what i'm saying i just i do

1356
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,119
know what you're saying and you make

1357
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,119
excellent points it's really hard to to

1358
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,200
argue with someone who wants to

1359
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,520
know more like you do and saying i want

1360
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,599
to listen to all sides like you

1361
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,440
like you do and like your shows a

1362
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,040
testament to that i mean you have

1363
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,079
on you know one of my favorite books dr

1364
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,079
mary's monkey you know you've

1365
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,319
interviewed so many of these

1366
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,880
guys i'll interview everybody and i'll

1367
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,480
go into great detail

1368
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,119
and and quite often i'll have someone

1369
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:46,640
sit in on the interview that

1370
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,559
that works with that particular field

1371
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,680
and and rights in that field and uh

1372
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,200
even if i don't agree with them because

1373
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,160
i it's it's a conversation that you have

1374
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,920
and it's what you come comes out of that

1375
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,000
conversation i think these people are

1376
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,200
are great for the most part um i love

1377
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,880
almost all of them there's a few that

1378
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,640
kind of

1379
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,480
but you know that's just a thing you

1380
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,079
know sometimes you just don't

1381
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,720
click and you know um i can't think of

1382
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,480
too many offhand

1383
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,040
um but there's been a few i know but

1384
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,640
these these people are great shane

1385
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,000
o'sullivan was great

1386
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:25,040
hp hank alperelli you know he passed

1387
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:25,760
away but

1388
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:28,800
you know i love that guy um

1389
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:31,839
you know i i just i can't say enough

1390
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,480
about him

1391
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:35,200
now um judith baker i could take her

1392
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,000
leave

1393
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,599
but that's a different one

1394
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,119
she's really she's really interesting to

1395
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,960
me but

1396
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,280
you know i want to stop right there and

1397
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,000
say i

1398
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,760
i respect that so much because i find

1399
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,520
that very very hard to do

1400
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,839
and people who can do that particularly

1401
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,359
you know you're a

1402
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,440
highly regarded influencer in that area

1403
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,040
and your ability to have those

1404
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,280
and to be able to say hey i genuinely

1405
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:00,640
like that person

1406
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,760
and i didn't really agree with what

1407
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:05,359
they're saying but i'd like them as a

1408
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,240
person

1409
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,559
boy doesn't that circle back around to

1410
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:10,319
what we're saying at the beginning

1411
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:13,440
in terms of maybe what we need to

1412
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,480
kind of connect with in order to change

1413
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,599
this

1414
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,599
kind of you know situation we're in but

1415
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,960
did you have any more thoughts on that

1416
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:22,640
of just saying well you know i will say

1417
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,160
that i was brought up in canada

1418
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:29,280
and so i was raised that way you got to

1419
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,480
respect people

1420
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,480
you got to take them and respect them

1421
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,760
you got to treat them like you want to

1422
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,599
be treated it sounds cliche but

1423
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,760
the reality is you know i'm really

1424
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:39,200
interested in a lot of these things

1425
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:40,640
there's certain things a lot of them i

1426
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,680
don't know

1427
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,520
so you bring these people on that that

1428
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:45,359
have these ideas and you talk to them

1429
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,760
for an

1430
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:48,480
hour or two hours you know and and it's

1431
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,119
great

1432
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,440
you know um i don't have to agree with

1433
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,880
them i don't have to

1434
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,720
i'm not i'm not living with them i'm not

1435
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,319
getting married it's just um

1436
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,960
you know i i don't see what the big

1437
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,559
anger thing is i don't understand why

1438
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,319
people get so

1439
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:06,720
so into all this stuff and it's like

1440
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,599
well you know

1441
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,040
at the end of the day like i said i've

1442
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,440
talked to all those people

1443
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,079
we're still here he's they're all still

1444
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,640
there and we get along really well

1445
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960
outs you know so i i don't know what the

1446
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,880
big deal i don't have to agree like we

1447
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,400
don't have to both like

1448
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,960
chocolate ice cream to be friends you

1449
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,559
know what i'm saying so i don't i

1450
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,640
i just don't see why people hate each

1451
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:30,559
other because they don't

1452
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:33,760
don't agree i mean i that's just me but

1453
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:36,799
uh you know i think that's very very

1454
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,359
very

1455
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:40,000
profound actually and i think it's i

1456
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,720
know you're not

1457
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,960
super spiritual guy but i think there's

1458
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,160
something

1459
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,359
incredibly spiritual about the worst

1460
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,720
deal here part

1461
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:51,040
you know i mean because one of the

1462
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,000
things i think is

1463
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,319
that or i try and focus on is that i

1464
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,079
don't know what your journey is

1465
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,160
i don't know what your journey has been

1466
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,240
up to now to get you to this point and i

1467
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,680
don't know what your future journey is

1468
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:03,040
going to be in five years you might call

1469
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,760
me up and go

1470
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,559
oh my god alex i thank you i know i've

1471
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,920
seen the light and i agree

1472
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,480
or i might call i might do likewise i

1473
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,680
might call you up and go oh

1474
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:14,319
al i'm so embarrassed but thank you for

1475
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,359
not being

1476
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,440
you know for being nice and kind to me

1477
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,040
so it's we don't

1478
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:21,760
know we're just still here like you like

1479
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,400
you say

1480
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,000
so well and there's so many people that

1481
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:26,079
i've i've got along with so well

1482
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,520
for so many years that um

1483
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,280
if we get into certain subjects we're

1484
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,040
just on opposite ends but

1485
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,640
you know you just love them i had a

1486
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,720
co-host for i think four years of the

1487
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,040
show that came from alex jones

1488
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,440
and i just love this guy to [\h__\h] he's

1489
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,359
completely opposite of me

1490
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,160
um jewish married just the whole the

1491
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,599
whole nine yards and

1492
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,880
but i couldn't love a person anymore and

1493
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,799
and the thing is that's the whole idea

1494
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,880
it's about the person it's about

1495
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,280
it's about getting to know the people

1496
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,720
and um

1497
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:01,440
like i said he can live and he can go to

1498
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,079
the synagogue

1499
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,280
he can do his thing and and and and

1500
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,119
believe in his thing

1501
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:09,520
and i can too and that's the great part

1502
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,160
of being

1503
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:13,200
in america or you know canada a lot of

1504
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,079
these countries

1505
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,000
and that's the great thing we have this

1506
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,000
this this this

1507
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:20,960
incredible life to be able to do this

1508
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:21,520
but

1509
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,640
you know to cut them off because

1510
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,880
because he jewish or to cut someone off

1511
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,280
it's like that's ridiculous you miss out

1512
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,200
because they they can make your life so

1513
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,960
much better they enrich your life and i

1514
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,599
i think it's

1515
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,760
i think i i think people are missing out

1516
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,200
by um

1517
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,280
narrowing themselves to a certain tribe

1518
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,720
and that's it

1519
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,720
you know everybody else is bad you know

1520
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,640
oh i so so agree with that about the

1521
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:46,640
narrowing and missing out

1522
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,520
al what's coming up for you on the on

1523
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,319
the show

1524
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,000
uh we've got some interesting interviews

1525
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,760
coming up and i i gotta believe you're

1526
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,799
working on

1527
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,119
probably a half dozen books at the same

1528
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,680
time what's coming up on that front

1529
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,160
always well yeah you know i've got well

1530
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,000
i you know um

1531
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,319
i i'm doing a series of a lot of those

1532
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,079
interviews that you've seen like so i've

1533
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,359
just

1534
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,760
done like the jfk the interview so i i

1535
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:13,119
pick out the highlights of the

1536
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,240
interviews

1537
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,079
and go through all the main theories and

1538
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,359
i've covered that with uh

1539
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,480
zodiac jfk and um

1540
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,480
i'm going to be doing rfk just some of

1541
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,240
the big events that i've had over 10

1542
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,839
years that

1543
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,200
you know i've talked to everyone like i

1544
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,200
said from roger stone to

1545
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,200
you name it about a lot of these

1546
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,880
subjects and i just kind of

1547
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,440
and i give everybody an equal platform

1548
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,720
and kind of

1549
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:39,040
point out the the the good things that

1550
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,160
we get from all

1551
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,280
at the end of the day um so that you can

1552
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,960
have a reference to the interviews and

1553
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:46,799
kind of the ideas and where people get

1554
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,599
it from so that's

1555
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,400
i've been working on that a lot so um

1556
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,400
that's where i'm at now and um

1557
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,559
my last book came out murder time six

1558
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,240
and it's done it's been doing really

1559
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:58,480
well now i met the murderer so

1560
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:02,400
that's probably why so you have a bunch

1561
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:03,040
of uh

1562
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,400
a bunch of true crime and uh serial

1563
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:09,359
killer kind of stuff uh what what do

1564
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,319
people find

1565
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:13,359
most interesting in those books what

1566
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,119
books are are most popular in that genre

1567
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,760
well the uh you know people love to hear

1568
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,359
from a killer for some reason

1569
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,920
and right now i i'm more when i write

1570
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:25,520
the book uh yeah i tell you what

1571
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,240
happened

1572
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:28,480
but i'm not into the gory details so if

1573
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,359
you're looking for

1574
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,799
you know this gorfest you're not going

1575
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,040
to get it i i'm more about

1576
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,319
um what happens to people

1577
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,720
and the justice system so when we get

1578
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:40,880
like this last book was really about

1579
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:44,319
um a man that killed six people

1580
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:49,200
a family and now he's up for for parole

1581
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,400
and and what the family goes through

1582
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,079
every year and a half to go to these

1583
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,599
parole meetings and what

1584
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,319
what our justice system has done in the

1585
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,839
in the sense of

1586
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,440
if you if you're not part of it you

1587
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,440
don't you don't understand it

1588
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,520
so it's just kind of all angles i'm kind

1589
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:07,520
of you know and this how this this

1590
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:08,400
killers

1591
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,240
married someone he's he's in prison

1592
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,319
uh for murdering six people including

1593
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,480
two children which he raped

1594
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,520
six or nine and eleven and and

1595
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,280
he's married a woman now with two

1596
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:22,960
children from her previous

1597
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,640
marriage just just just the doctor yeah

1598
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:29,520
just the whole outlook of what goes on

1599
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:29,839
in

1600
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,040
why

1601
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:37,760
um people like that sort of thing i i

1602
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,480
right now

1603
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,559
um but like i said they're not gorfests

1604
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:42,799
they're it's more about the whole

1605
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,000
the big picture well it's it's really

1606
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,359
cool as you know is evidenced by this

1607
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,839
research this discussion we've had today

1608
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:53,920
how you can hold these

1609
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,520
seemingly contradictory ideas and

1610
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,839
happenings you know and and hold them

1611
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,640
and contrast them and we really really

1612
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,599
need that nowadays don't we yeah i don't

1613
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:08,000
know why we can't why do we have to have

1614
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,720
the definite answer why do we need to

1615
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,480
you know on some things for sure but why

1616
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:14,559
do we need to

1617
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,079
um you know just say this is that

1618
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,280
period and again and over and because we

1619
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,799
on a lot of these things we don't we

1620
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:24,160
can't say that

1621
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,760
not 100 confidence so i think that um

1622
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:30,079
god just just keep on moving keep on

1623
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,119
trucking you know

1624
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,440
you're alive and and you got your mind

1625
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,839
you got your health let's just uh

1626
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,079
keep keep doing it doing the right thing

1627
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,520
and just

1628
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,359
that's all i can say we go forward and

1629
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,119
hopefully it all turns out

1630
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:45,200
and you're sounding way way too

1631
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:46,319
spiritual for

1632
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:49,680
uh listen well you don't need you don't

1633
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:50,799
need to have

1634
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:54,720
um a belief in a

1635
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:57,440
religion in order to be spiritual right

1636
01:01:03,109 --> 01:00:57,920
on

1637
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:03,119
yeah because you know things that you

1638
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,079
know one thing i did learn from schermer

1639
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,799
i will say was that we don't need to

1640
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,880
have that um

1641
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:13,119
people can be good and people can care

1642
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,359
about other people without believing in

1643
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,640
a god

1644
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,880
and and he said that to me once about

1645
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,720
three four years ago and and that really

1646
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,160
stuck with me it's one of the few things

1647
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,079
that stuck with me

1648
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,440
from him but it's true because you know

1649
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,119
you know you can honestly care about

1650
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,799
other people and what happens to other

1651
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:32,640
people and helping others and doing good

1652
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:33,520
things

1653
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,880
without i don't need to go to church

1654
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,680
every sunday

1655
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,839
you know i don't need to wear my mormon

1656
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,160
underwear

1657
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,200
but i mean that in a nice way no you

1658
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:47,119
don't have to be nice of on that one

1659
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:50,480
hey our guest again has been alan

1660
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,200
r warren as in alan r warren.com

1661
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:57,359
you can check out all of his books on

1662
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,880
amazon very easy to find because he is

1663
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:00,319
such a prominent author

1664
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,839
and check out house of mystery radio

1665
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,720
show

1666
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,760
it's been just great talking to you all

1667
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,760
i'm so glad we persisted on this

1668
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,160
interview i hope people appreciate

1669
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,760
you know what we're trying to do here

1670
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,160
and bring in two people who seem to

1671
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:18,000
disagree and finding out we don't really

1672
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:19,760
disagree is kind of a cool thing isn't

1673
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:20,640
it

1674
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,680
yeah we all we hopefully we all want the

1675
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:25,599
same thing in the end right we all just

1676
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:26,880
want to be happy

1677
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,000
live a good life and um and

1678
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,880
enjoy our freedom i i hope that's what

1679
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:34,400
we want and and

1680
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,079
with that yeah there's going to be bumps

1681
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,400
along the way but i don't see why

1682
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,880
we need to uh bring down other people

1683
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:42,400
and hurt other people we just need to

1684
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:43,440
keep on helping

1685
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,760
you know nice nice i sound corny don't

1686
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,599
it's inside a sermon we're going to put

1687
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:51,119
a we're going to put a bible in your

1688
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:52,559
hand we're going to start our own little

1689
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:53,200
church here

1690
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:56,480
that's right that's right that's right

1691
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:00,000
get away with free tax there you go

1692
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:04,640
and and no masks yeah there you go

1693
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,000
hey al thank you so much and uh

1694
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:10,799
talk soon yeah thank you very much take

1695
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:11,599
care

1696
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,119
you too thanks again to alan morin for

1697
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,280
joining me on skeptico

1698
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,039
the one question idea from this

1699
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,039
interview is what do you

1700
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:24,400
do personally to make it

1701
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:28,240
more possible to talk with people

1702
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,880
who you don't agree with fundamentally

1703
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:32,799
kind of on these kind of fundamental

1704
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:35,440
issues what techniques have you found to

1705
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,839
be

1706
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,000
personally effective i'd like to know

1707
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,920
i'd really like to know and i'd love for

1708
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:42,079
you to join me on the skeptical forum

1709
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:44,079
and tell me what your answers are to

1710
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:45,440
that so

1711
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:48,000
do that if you feel inclined do stick

1712
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,119
around i have some

1713
01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:52,160
i think pretty good shows coming up